Thursday, 2 July 2015

16 thoughts on “We are All Omicrons. Bettina Arndt and the Manosphere”

We are All Omicrons. Bettina Arndt and the Manosphere | The Preston Institute



16 thoughts on “We are All Omicrons. Bettina Arndt and the Manosphere





  1. Arndt gives the impression of nothing
    more than she prefers to hang around, and take seriously, selfish
    creeps. Why, I have no idea, but she’s welcome to them. Writing about
    them as if they represent the entire human race is taking her adulation
    too far, however. She’s missed her true path as a gossip columnist.











  2. Nowhere does Arndt say anything about
    ‘taking us back to the 1950s’. That is a complete strawman argument.
    Rather, she points out (and which many people seem to struggle to
    understand) a few key concepts:

    * women are most attractive as partners to men in their youth (say 18 to 30);

    * women are increasingly pursuing education and career opportunities
    thanks to positive progressions in society (and rightfully so);

    * as a result their focus in the 20s is less so on serious long term
    relationships and more on progressing professionally/education wise
    (their choice and so be it);

    * as a natural consequence of female attraction cues (i.e. to seek
    someone higher status/socioeconomics/dominance/leader status etc.),
    i.e., HYPERGAMY, they naturally find it difficult to find a ‘good
    enough’ partner – they continue to look up, rather than look around at
    those who would make a perfectly good partner otherwise.

    * over time, their physical attractiveness declines and so does their attractive appeal to men;

    * mens attractiveness is accumulated over time and experience;

    * combine all of this and the increased promiscuity of women and women
    are less likely to find someone willing to marry them when they hit
    their early 30s.


    It’s called cause and effect or LOGIC. Realising that you can’t
    ‘have it all’ and that there are CONSEQUENCES to our choices, even if
    they don’t seem ‘fair’. Something which some extremely angry females
    seem to find difficult to cope with judging by their reaction to the
    article.








    • Welcome, visitor from the Manosphere.
      I would just like to take this opportunity to tell you that your “key
      concepts” are bunkum. Women are not necessarily most attractive due to
      youth and “physical attractiveness” as defined by you. It’s a male
      fallacy that we get more attractive while women get less so over time –
      that is what I call the “Newsreader Fallacy”. And then you end with the
      “increased promiscuity of women”. Wow, you really would provide a
      wonderful conversation partner for a woman, believing those things. Good
      luck with that LOGIC of yours.








      • Your whole worldview has come
        crashing down and you offer nothing more than weak insults as a
        rebuttal. Madam, your “detailed deconstruction” was nothing more than
        the pained flailing of someone who knows their time is up.











      • @ prestontowers

        “Wow, you really would provide a wonderful conversation partner for a woman, believing those things.”

        ahh, the use of shaming language, without any arguments, statistics, or
        actual rebuttals. the harsh bite of the truth hurts doesn’t it?


        What do you think that a man’s initial attraction is based on? Do
        you think it’s just some massive coincidence that women ages 18-30 get
        the most initial attention from men (looks, attention etc.)? Why do you
        think women dress up? Why do you think young women post hundreds of
        pictures of themselves on facebook? Because they know that this is the
        cue men respond to and it gives them attention. Simple biology.


        Compare this woman to a woman in her late 30s…then another in her
        40s…then her 50s and so on. Which women, generally speaking are going
        to get the most attention? You’re completely denying biological reality
        if you say its the women at the upper end of the scale. I take it
        you’ve never observed the billions of men on this planet who respond to
        this stimuli.


        You say my ‘theory’ is bunkum but can show me your evidence that men
        do not respond to physical attractiveness cues? It would be like saying
        that the sun does not provide us with light – despite it shining in our
        eyes everyday!


        A real relationship is based on this initial attraction PLUS other
        desirable personal qualities – honesty, strength, compassion,
        compatibility, conversation etc. But if the initial attraction isn’t
        there it’s not going to work. You don’t seem to get it through your
        skull that women’s accomplishments, education and career provide
        miniscule attraction for men. We may admire and appreciate it and
        respect it, but it doesn’t make us want to get to know the opposite sex.
        Just reality. Which you are denying.








      • “You don’t seem to get it through
        your skull that women’s accomplishments, education and career provide
        miniscule attraction for men”. Wow. I didn’t know people still actually
        believed that. Apart from the absurdity of thinking women are just
        moving flesh pots to make men drool, I make the point – what do people
        talk about when they formulate relationships? What do you share? Just a
        physical attraction? That is one shallow view you have of women, men and
        the relationships they share. Clearly Arndt believes men are like you. I
        know, fortunately, that the good men are, for the most part, not like
        you.











  3. @prestontowers

    You’re deliberately trying to be selective and distorting my post.


    From my previous post:

    “A real relationship is based on this initial attraction PLUS other
    desirable personal qualities – honesty, strength, compassion,
    compatibility, conversation etc. But if the initial attraction isn’t
    there it’s not going to work.”


    So where am I ONLY focusing on the physical? As my comment says,
    attraction PLUS other desirable personal qualities=relationship
    material. But BOTH are essential. That initial attraction IS NOT based
    on your qualifications or career. Men look at the physical. You’ve
    obviously been living on another planet if you’ve NEVER noticed this
    about men? How hard is that to swallow?


    Suppose choking back the anger of reality makes it difficult to think logically and rationally….








    • Directly from my post above: “You
      don’t seem to get it through your skull that women’s accomplishments,
      education and career provide miniscule attraction for men. We may admire
      and appreciate it and respect it, but it doesn’t make us want to get to
      know the opposite sex.”


      So the question is – CAN YOU READ?








    • You are speaking for yourself and
      your reality very succinctly here. You make the claim that women in
      their 40s are not as physically attractive as those in their 20s – and
      therefore that makes them less attractive. That is the perception of you
      and other myopic men. Not for men in general. I personally think it’s
      total rubbish. Fortunately, good men know this. Facile men don’t.








  4. Great post, PrestonTowers. if I was
    trying to demonstrate “solipsism” to students I’d go no further than
    Blogster’s attempt at a “logical” rebuttal. Unfortunately, he’ll never
    be convinced for that very reason.








  5. “When you can’t win the argument, attack the messenger” – Schopenhauer.


    Being a man in a big Canadian city, I can assure you that what this
    piece is saying is very much real. The article is clearly laying out the
    flip side of the new way of dating for women, the unintended
    consequences. It’s basic economics applied to the dating scene.


    When the environment changes, we men simply learn to adapt. And that is what the article is describing.








    • Also, what some of these bloggers
      aren’t seeing isthat attraction is strongly linked to fertility. As
      fertility declines, so do the cues to attraction.